Obama is sleepy

bodie54 said:

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Why am I not surprised that even this incredibly simple, universal truth escapes you two?

Anyway, do carry on with your denial fest :thumbsup:

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It's only universal because you feel you're the only one in your world that knows this truth. You contributed nothing except attacking me for playing games. Watch TV? I watch a few shows here and there. Yep, that really discredits me in having my own opinion.

You're just an intellectual farce with no real input and only attack someone's character when they do not say something you like. Try to belittle my opinion by bringing up video games. Sheesh. Liberalism at its best. Attacking someone's character instead of supplying actual information to the topic at hand.

Tha is all that a majority of liberals do once they are done with input they attack the people on their character when they say thing they do not like. Superdupa, Bodie and HR pretty much all follow the Liberal handbook on debats.

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Prof Voluptuary said:

Discussions like this are as pathetic now as they were under W. People want to jump all over the President over petty things, instead of just keeping their disagreements to the actual policies enacted.

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Interesting...I'm hard pressed to find a case where Bush was criticized for something similar and on the scale of being sleepy. I get though and agree with your key point....pettiness and politics are going hand and hand more than they should be in light of the heavy circumstances facing the world.

jasonk282 said:

Tha is all that a majority of liberals do once they are done with input they attack the people on their character when they say thing they do not like. Superdupa, Bodie and HR pretty much all follow the Liberal handbook on debats.

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I don't mind a debate. It's just once it gets personal attacks or become a teenis match and all it is is back and forth and going nowhere is when I stop. I figure I said what I wanted and if people want to try and turn it into a back and forth dead end debate, fine, they can. It will just be by themselves.

Now I don't mind having fun like I did in the one post in the thread. He set up it up and I delivered! :hatsoff:

jasonk282 said:

Tha is all that a majority of liberals do once they are done with input they attack the people on their character when they say thing they do not like. Superdupa, Bodie and HR pretty much all follow the Liberal handbook on debats.

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It goes both ways. People don't want to look at the real problems and details, they want to "argue against the other side."

I'm going to go back to GW-Adams on this. It happened from Day 1 in 1787 (let alone the years prior). People were arguing British v. French. Same fucking difference. Two philosophies people blindly align as "right" and "just" and they are both full of bullshit.

Democrats and Republicans both make me sick, and have pissed away our rights both fiscally and socially.

You now see it with a bunch of old men in northern Europe. Hell, I used to defend Kofi Anon until he used Harry Truman as an example of what an US President should be like.

I like Truman, but most people could easily say he was far worse in many ways than W. any day -- both Americans and non-Americans -- from giving the secrets of the bomb away to everyone to actually using it well before that (among many other things, including against American freedoms, despite his solid, commendable civil rights ideas, and uni-lateral actions against nations).

The fact that we keep arguing in "versus" is the problem. We want to blame everyone for real problems, and drop into this petty bullshit.

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Hot Mega said:

Interesting...I'm hard pressed to find a case where Bush was criticized for something similar and on the scale of being sleepy. I get though and agree with your key point....pettiness and politics are going hand and hand more than they should be in light of the heavy circumstances facing the world.

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I have to agree with the prof here.There was negative talk of how much Bush was on vacation at his ranch in crawford when he was Prez and it really was a petty thing to talk about.I think Bush was at least the worst president in the last 50 years but it wasn't because he was on vacation too much.It was over his economic and foreign policys.

I have to laugh though when I read posts about how how bad Obama is doing and how it's just something we will have to put up with till 2012.Does anyone seriously think that if the election were today the outcome would be different and that the country would install McCain/Palin or for that matter any other republican ticket? Till somebody can make the case for why some particular republican ticket would be preferable Obama is probably safe and headed for re-election.

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Friday on my mind said:

I have to agree with the prof here.There was negative talk of how much Bush was on vacation at his ranch in crawford when he was Prez and it really was a petty thing to talk about.I think Bush was at least the worst president in the last 50 years but it wasn't because he was on vacation too much.It was over his economic and foreign policys.

I have to laugh though when I read posts about how how bad Obama is doing and how it's just something we will have to put up with till 2012.Does anyone seriously think that if the election were today the outcome would be different and that the country would install McCain/Palin or for that matter any other republican ticket? Till somebody can make the case for why some particular republican ticket would be preferable Obama is probably safe and headed for re-election.

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Well not that it was right per se but that was in the context of the suggestion he was given over to absenteeism and aloofness. There were many examples his critics pointed to where he just simply appeared disengaged and detached...His Crawford vacations played into that.

Every situation has a context when you reflect on the circumstances.

Red Spyder said:

Was he listening to his own speeches again?

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His speeches could even put the most extreme insomniac to sleep like a baby. :rofl:

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Friday on my mind said:

I have to agree with the prof here.There was negative talk of how much Bush was on vacation at his ranch in crawford when he was Prez and it really was a petty thing to talk about.I think Bush was at least the worst president in the last 50 years but it wasn't because he was on vacation too much.It was over his economic and foreign policys.

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Thanx for viewing it the same way. People should make their complaints on the policies, not the petties.

Friday on my mind said:

I have to laugh though when I read posts about how how bad Obama is doing and how it's just something we will have to put up with till 2012.Does anyone seriously think that if the election were today the outcome would be different and that the country would install McCain/Palin or for that matter any other republican ticket? Till somebody can make the case for why some particular republican ticket would be preferable Obama is probably safe and headed for re-election.

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Actually, many would argue that Obama's support base would not be nearly as strong. Don't know if it would deliver a McCain win, but it's clear many of Obama's foreign policy actions have more approval from McCain voters than his own.

I'm just glad Obama woke up to reality, but I don't think he ever was away from reality. He just said what he needed to get elected, and he's not the first (let alone not worst) to do that. Sooner or later the "fantasyland" people wake up and realize it's their own choices, their own actions, their own consumption that drives policy, not some "evil" President.

As I'm starting to say over and over, if you don't like what you get as a consumer in the US, found a company, get some engineers, and change things! The government can't do that -- unless you want actual communism (not just socialism, but actual communism), or true facism (the actual economy model) -- both which guarantee 100% employment.

Prof Voluptuary said:

It goes both ways. People don't want to look at the real problems and details, they want to "argue against the other side.".

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You are correct and I will say that I sometimes get caught up in all the pettiness and finger pointing as well, but I think I am smart enough to understand when that is happening and usually just leave the thread and no longer post in it.

IMO what people need to realize is that we need to do what is best for America NOT left or right wing agendas and parties. The sooner people figure this out the fast we can get our country back on track. Untill then all the finger pointing will just lead to further divide this country, this must have been what it was like to see the Roman Republic fall into a dictatorship. Instead of being ruled by an actual dictator we are being ruled political parties.

jasonk282 said:

You are correct and I will say that I sometimes get caught up in all the pettiness and finger pointing as well, but I think I am smart enough to understand when that is happening and usually just leave the thread and no longer post in it.

IMO what people need to realize is that we need to do what is best for America NOT left or right wing agendas and parties. The sooner people figure this out the fast we can get our country back on track. Untill then all the finger pointing will just lead to further divide this country, this must have been what it was like to see the Roman Republic fall into a dictatorship. Instead of being ruled by an actual dictator we are being ruled political parties.

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You state this with a straight face as your avatar and siggy identify with the biggest finger pointer (who ironically is actually finger pointing) in the entire universe.

Don't worry Jas.....we all know your posts don't need to make sense...you get a pass anyway. As a matter of fact...I'll rep you later for it....

Hot Mega said:

You state this with a straight face as your avatar and siggy identify with the biggest finger pointer (who ironically is actually finger pointing) in the entire universe.

Don't worry Jas.....we all know your posts don't need to make sense...you get a pass anyway. As a matter of fact...I'll rep you later for it....

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I am holding my breath with anticipation.

I will not go into defending/attack my avartar there is already a thread for that.

jasonk282 said:

I am holding my breath with anticipation.

I will not go into defending/attack my avartar there is already a thread for that.

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:dunno:

Was I suppose to do a search or something? I was just "pointing" out the obvious contradiction...:o

I will admit to being a little mean spirited though. Jason you of all on this board don't deserve mean-spiritedness.

jasonk282 said:

The sooner people figure this out the fast we can get our country back on track.

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Trouble is Jason, our sense of "back on track" is anothers' derailment.

Facetious said:

Trouble is Jason, our sense of "back on track" is anothers' derailment.

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Ahh...salient point.

More salient however is the point that one person's "back on track" was given it's chance and is at present, responsible for the current "derailment".:hatsoff:

It seems a president's job is addressing a few major issues, screwing them up more in alignment with well written policies, then leaving the mess for the next guy to fix.

Or woman, hopefully, if it isn't too late. (Not Palin).

Hot Mega said:

Ahh...salient point.

More salient however is the point that one person's "back on track" was given it's chance and is at present, responsible for the current "derailment".:hatsoff:

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A reasonable response then, because the apologizer in chief is a certain one term bust, is to fast track finance as many mandatory socialist policies as the PRC will carry ... nice ! :glugglug: :tongue:

At this rate the "O"man will be tossin the keys (1800 Pennsylvania Ave.) to the Chinese presidential appointment on the 1,460 day (leap year accounted for) :1orglaugh

Facetious said:

A reasonable response then, because the apologizer in chief is a certain one term bust, is to fast track finance as many mandatory socialist policies as the PRC will carry ... nice !

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After less than one year of cleaning up after Arbusto (aka "Shrub") he's declared a one term "bust"? Nooo, say it ain't so..:1orglaugh Well give him time for some good news to bump his polls back up and then let's see.

But again, the concern with the financing of policy now when there was noooooooo such erstwhile concern under "Shrub". Curious to say the least....

Ya see...that's the other problem with this one man's this versus one man's that...the glaring double standards some apply now but didn't apply then.:hi: Oh...we forget...Dubba was on a divine mission.....:bowdown:

Facetious said:

At this rate the "O"man will be tossin the keys (1800 Pennsylvania Ave.) to the Chinese presidential appointment on the 1,460 day (leap year accounted for) :1orglaugh

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Not sure what "1800 Pennsylvania Ave." applies to but if "O"man refers to Obama...tell us, why would he have the keys to "1800 Pennsylvania Ave".?:dunno:

bodie54 said:

No. The unemployment rate was 7.6% in January and 8.1% in February, as the ripple effect from the previous fall's cratering economy predictably continued to spread. It's funny how conservatives castigate liberals for supposedly looking upon Obama as a messiah (which they don't), then turn around and expect him to completely fix enormous, deep rooted problems in short order as if he should be one

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I think you are misunderstanding a few things. As a conservative, I would much happier if Obama would quit trying to fix problems. We would all be a lot better off if he would just step aside and let the the business owners fix it themselves. That's the only way it is going to get fixed. Obama needs to do what Reagan did. Quit spending, drop the tax rate, and let the economy grow.

Crazy4theBrat said:

I think you are misunderstanding a few things. As a conservative, I would much happier if Obama would quit trying to fix problems. We would all be a lot better off if he would just step aside and let the the business owners fix it themselves. That's the only way it is going to get fixed. Obama needs to do what Reagan did. Quit spending, drop the tax rate, and let the economy grow.

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Well now that is just crazy talk! People are way to dependent on the government to actually go out and make something of themselves anymore.

For some reason only in Governement does it make sence to spend money when you already in the hole. That would be the same as me going out and buying a new TV with my maxed out credit card.